Interesting freecycle freebiejeebies scam and a dubious experiment

Interesting freecycle freebiejeebies scam and a dubious experiment

I love scams. They're often ingenious and involve a good bit of psychology. It's great fun figuring out how they work.

I saw an interesting misuse of freecycle recently which was a scam of sorts. I'll tell you how it worked then introduce my own dubious experiment.

There's a quick explanation of what freecycle is here. But even more quickly it's a way for people to give their stuff away for free locally. You sign up to your local freecycle and start getting emails from people saying "I've got this thing I don't want, do you want to come and collect it?". That sort of thing. It's great, I got an office chair and a blender (turns out you can't blend an office chair). And of course you should offer your stuff too.

A few days ago I got this email though freecycle:

Hi. I have rently gotten a free Imac computer so im going to give away my 1 year old macbook pro, to a good home only. I will try to reply to all mails I recieve. Sincerely.

You rarely get that calibre of stuff on freecycle so I sent him a message saying I'd love to take it off his hands. He did say he'd try to reply to all mails he received (an unusual thing on freecycle).

A couple of days later I got this reply:

Hi, There

Sorry the mac book is gone. Someone came round today to collect it. If you are still looking for one you can get one for free from this website. Interesting freecycle freebiejeebies scam and a dubious experiment

I got one 2 weeks ago and yes it was free which is why I just gave away the old one. The way it works is big companies like lovefilm and others companies pay this site to get us to try out their products for free. The website then sends you a gift of your choice with that money. This way everyone wins.

All I did was sign up, completed an offer I did the lovefilm 2weeks free trial offer but there are others you can do. Then it take 14days for the offer to complete. After 14 days I chose which Ipod I wanted but you can chose other gifts for free. Hope this was useful.

Kind Regards... Jay

There's clearly something fishy going on. What's that freebiejeebies link? Is that a scam?

Freebiejeebies

In fact freebiejeebies is a legitimate website as far as I can tell. That's not to say it's an upstanding member or the internet community. Here's how it works...

You register on the site and sign up for one of the affiliate offers (just like Jay described in his email). You then need to persuade a number of you friends to sign up and do the same. The bigger the free gift you want to get the more friends, or anyone really, you need to persuade to sign up and register with an affiliate. Of course, those people would need to get a number or their friends to sign up before they get their free gift. You might have noticed that this is starting to look like a pyramid scheme and they are A Bad Thing. In fact financial pyramid schemes are illegal. What's bad about a pyramid scheme?

Pyramid Schemes

Suppose I set up a scheme that costs £10 to join and that's only open to the UK. I'll persuade as many people to sign up as possible and get a tenner from all of them. I tell them that they'll get £50 back on their investment if they can get 10 people to sign up to the scheme (in fact, it's their duty to get their friends to sign up because they'll get £50 for their £10 investment too). For every £50 pounds I have to give out I'm getting £100 from the friends that the original investors have signed up. So I'm quids in.

Of course, before the original investor's friends get their £50 they have to get 10 of their friends to sign up and so on for ever. What's the catch?

The catch is in the exponentially growing numbers. Suppose I originally persuade 10 people to join the scheme. And suppose they all successfully persuade 10 of their friends to join. How big is this "second generation" of joiners? Easy, it's just 10 x 10 = 100. So now if these 100 people want to get their £50 they each need to persuade another 10 people each to join. That's 100 x 10 = 1,000. For each successive generation of joiners the number grows by a factor of 10.

Here's how that looks:

Investor generationNumber of investors
Zeroth generation (me)1
First generation10
Second generation100
Third generation1,000
Forth generation10,000

How many generations before everyone in the UK has given me £10? For simplicity, let's assume there are 111,111,111 people in the UK. This is a slight exaggeration but that's OK. For each generation you multiply by 10 and add that to the rest to get the total number of investors. That means by the 8th generation everyone in the UK would have invested and paid £10. There are 100 million people in that 8th generation but no one left in the country to persuade to invest so they never see their £50.

So that's the problem. 11,111,111 people see a return on their investment while 100,000,000 don't. The numbers are different for different schemes but in our imagined one there are nearly 10 times the number of people disappointed than happy. It's an over simplified example and in the real world schemes become saturated at various levels before the country wide level, like at the level of a community or even just a friendship group.

Is freebiejeebies any different?

It is, but only in as much as there's no money involved. There are affiliates you can sign up to that will cost you no money. So it's an investment of time instead. By going through the freebiejeebies process you're hoping that enough people will invest their time so you can get a return on your investment knowing that eventually somewhere down the line people will not be seeing a return.

What regular pyramid schemes and sites like freebiejeebies also have in common is that you are cashing in on goodwill and social leverage that you've built up with your friends and acquaintances when you badger them to join for your own selfish benefit.

This is a price that is a bit too high for many to pay.

But in the modern internet connected world goodwill and social leverage can mean something else. In some ways it can be cheaper and shorter lived. For example, simply by coming from freecycle, a scam email can have more social leverage but only until the practice is clamped down upon.

The freecycle freebiejeebies scam

You've probably guessed what Jay's plan was by now. Of course, he hadn't received his free iMac yet because he needed to get people to sign up. So he made up a clever story and put it on freecycle. I'm quite impressed!

Notice the numbers at the end of the freebiejeebies link in his email? If you sign up to the site using that link, Jay gets the referral! That's Jay's number.

My dubious experiment

There's another kind of online social leverage: search engine ranking. If a "good" website links to your site then you'll do better in google because your site will be seen as "good" by association.

This has been used to great effect with freebiejeebies.

If you google freebiejeebies, the number one result isn't the official site but one called freebiejeebie.co.uk (the "s" is missing). That site looks like the real deal and all the links take you to the proper site but with a number tacked onto the end just like in Jay's email! So anyone getting to freebiejeebies.co.uk via freebiejeebie.co.uk counts as a referral for the owners of the slightly shorter domain name! Very clever. I suspect they have more Mac Book Pros than they know what to do with.

I wanted to do the same (as an experiment you understand) but there are no good domain names left to get decent typo traffic. So what I've done is set up a website as a "guide" to getting a free Mac Book Pro from freebiejeebies. So it's a bit different in that I'm not pretending to be the real site.

Here it is:

How to get a free Mac Book Pro from Freebiejeebies.

You can probably see what I mean by dubious now.

Am I evil? Let me know in the comments. And I'll let you know when my Mac Book Pro arrives.

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  • Helen

    EVIL!!!

  • Helen

    EVIL!!!

  • al

    So, if you wanted a cheap Macbook, could you not just set up 36 email accounts and join lovefilm 36 times for a month using your referral code?

    36 x £3.99 = £143.64

    If it needs real addresses / CC numbers then it’d be pretty easy to ask 36 friends to sign up for it for a month. You could even pay their subscriptions for them and still get an incredible deal?

    I’m very suspicious of these things, and as a real think that if something seems too good to be true then it usually is!

  • al

    So, if you wanted a cheap Macbook, could you not just set up 36 email accounts and join lovefilm 36 times for a month using your referral code?

    36 x £3.99 = £143.64

    If it needs real addresses / CC numbers then it’d be pretty easy to ask 36 friends to sign up for it for a month. You could even pay their subscriptions for them and still get an incredible deal?

    I’m very suspicious of these things, and as a real think that if something seems too good to be true then it usually is!

  • http://www.stevemould.com Steve Mould

    There are loads or stipulations in the Ts & Cs to prevent signing up more than once. You can’t even have more than one account set up from the same IP address. That prevents you from signing up on behalf of your friends for example, which is also explicitly not allowed.

    I’m not sure how easy it would be to get 36 friends to go through that hassle so you can get something for free! They would want you to do it for them in return at least. Which or course you can’t because you can’t sign up more than once.

    I agree with the rule of thumb “if something seems too good to be true then it usually is”. In this case I think we’re looking at something genuine if only for the fact that they have legitimate partners like LoveFilm.

  • http://www.stevemould.com Steve Mould

    There are loads or stipulations in the Ts & Cs to prevent signing up more than once. You can’t even have more than one account set up from the same IP address. That prevents you from signing up on behalf of your friends for example, which is also explicitly not allowed.

    I’m not sure how easy it would be to get 36 friends to go through that hassle so you can get something for free! They would want you to do it for them in return at least. Which or course you can’t because you can’t sign up more than once.

    I agree with the rule of thumb “if something seems too good to be true then it usually is”. In this case I think we’re looking at something genuine if only for the fact that they have legitimate partners like LoveFilm.

  • Sam T

    Just out of interest, hows this going?
    I’ve been using freebiejeebies for a couple or years and have been pretty successful.
    Not as successful as some however, some people earn tens of thousands of pounds each year.

  • Sam T

    Just out of interest, hows this going?
    I’ve been using freebiejeebies for a couple or years and have been pretty successful.
    Not as successful as some however, some people earn tens of thousands of pounds each year.

  • http://www.stevemould.com Steve Mould

    I’ve had no success at all!

  • http://www.stevemould.com Steve Mould

    I’ve had no success at all!

  • Steve Furb Elliott

    I’ve got to congratulate you Steve, that’s probably the most balanced indepedent article I’ve seen in the three years that I’ve been using FreebieJeebies and similar sites.

    Most people quickly label the system a scam and move on but you’ve clearly done your research.

    Given the power of the internet people will enevitable drop their affiliate links in as many places as possible and this is no different. I did, however, resist to link back to my website in the comments field, respect where it is due!

    Steve

  • Steve Furb Elliott

    I’ve got to congratulate you Steve, that’s probably the most balanced indepedent article I’ve seen in the three years that I’ve been using FreebieJeebies and similar sites.

    Most people quickly label the system a scam and move on but you’ve clearly done your research.

    Given the power of the internet people will enevitable drop their affiliate links in as many places as possible and this is no different. I did, however, resist to link back to my website in the comments field, respect where it is due!

    Steve

  • http://www.stevemould.com Steve Mould

    Thanks Steve. It’s a fascinating system. Was really fun investigating it. Shame it’s not born fruit! It’s all about traffic I think. Need more traffic…

  • http://www.stevemould.com Steve Mould

    Thanks Steve. It’s a fascinating system. Was really fun investigating it. Shame it’s not born fruit! It’s all about traffic I think. Need more traffic…

  • Steve Furb Elliott

    Yup, traffic is everything.

    My design and coding is basic to say the least but the site gets a good amount of views each days and brings in a return I could never have dreamed of.

    Being top of Google UK for “free iPhone” certainly helps!

    Steve

  • Steve Furb Elliott

    Yup, traffic is everything.

    My design and coding is basic to say the least but the site gets a good amount of views each days and brings in a return I could never have dreamed of.

    Being top of Google UK for “free iPhone” certainly helps!

    Steve

  • http://www.zoematzko.com Zoe

    I love this kind of stuff, not because I’m a criminal I just like clever plots, the more elaborate the better!

    This is old so you’ve probably seen it but it is the best revenge scam I have ever read in my life and still makes me smile when I reread it. Gotta love the online community spirit here: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/

  • http://www.zoematzko.com Zoe

    I love this kind of stuff, not because I’m a criminal I just like clever plots, the more elaborate the better!

    This is old so you’ve probably seen it but it is the best revenge scam I have ever read in my life and still makes me smile when I reread it. Gotta love the online community spirit here: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/

  • http://www.stevemould.com Steve Mould

    I’d not seen that scam bate before. Brilliant. So elaborate. I was really worried about Jeff at the end then I googled it and he’s fine! Will reply to your 3D Qs soon!

  • http://www.stevemould.com Steve Mould

    I’d not seen that scam bate before. Brilliant. So elaborate. I was really worried about Jeff at the end then I googled it and he’s fine! Will reply to your 3D Qs soon!

  • Steve Ellis

    your website is classed as a walk through and will get your account banned should it be reported.

  • http://twitter.com/MouldS Steve Mould

    I think it's only walking though a cancellation of an offer that isn't allowed. I could well be wrong though.

  • Thrashly

    cheers :) i was just about to to one of these but i totally wont now, not everyone has money to chuck on internet offers, i didn't do it when i got stuff through the mail like this so I know some people certanly wont do it online! Which is a shame, i would really like a free ipod/ipad…mind you if any of you guys become overflowed with such devices, swing one my way!

  • http://www.simplyfreeiphone.co.uk Steve Furb Elliott

    Freebiejeebies have a very strict policy on duplicate accounts and pick those up by postal address, e-mail address and, most importantly, IP address. If you try and bend the rules, you will end up with nothing.

  • James

    Brilliant article! Like steve said a well balanced fair article. FJ is realy good affiliate marketing website and it’s not often you get a fair analysis so clearly written. Thanks and good luck with everything fj related

  • Gainwealth

    I agree with you 99.9 %, other than your perception of pyramids, coming from one which is successful, you neglected to point out that those that has received also rejoins. I would also challenge you to give an example of a scheme involving money which does not involve a pyramid of some sort or another…lottery, investment, pensions, consumer shopping, these are all pyramids, our whole society is based on the pyramid. The only differences between them are the percentage of returns and the “legitimacy” indoctrinated to us of the people who runs them.

  • http://twitter.com/MouldS Steve Mould

    Hi Gainwealth. Glad you like article. I didn't know that once you complete a scheme you can rejoin in some cases. Interesting. Doesn't change the maths much though. I don't agree that lottery, investment, pensions shopping etc are pyramids. But I'd love yo hear your reasoning.

  • Almo20

    i am proper confused

  • http://twitter.com/MouldS Steve Mould

    Anything you'd like me to clarify?

  • murph

    Hi Steve
    Interesting article, thanks. I found it because I'm researching how to get referrals for FreebieJeebies! Im having a go at this myself and I'm quite enjoying the challenge! I also hope to learn a few new skills about internet marketing too (sick of the 9-5 basically!).
    Anyway, I just wanted to ask how much (if any) success you've had with your experiment so far. Also, is your http://www.macfreebiejeebies.co.uk/ site the only way you are experimenting with getting referrals?
    Cheers

  • http://twitter.com/MouldS Steve Mould

    I've had virtually no success! I've had 7 people sign up with my referral link but non of them have completed an offer. It's all about driving traffic which I know very little about. Annoyingly someone ripped of my site word for word image for image. In fact he did such a thorough copy and paste job that he's also using my google analytics code! That means I can see how many hits he getting. He's doing way better than I ever did! Some people are pros and I'm not one of them.

    Good luck!

  • http://www.genuinefreebies.co.uk Dan

    Hi there,

    This certainly made an interesting read. I have been using FreeCycle to advertise 'Freebies' to others, in a similar way you mention that 'Jay' has done. However, I've taken a different approach. I am not sending anyone into a false sense of security. I am merely advertising that you can get freebies, whether it be a £50 Amazon voucher or an iPhone. There is also a brief description of how it works. I link to my own website – http://www.genuinefreebies.co.uk and leave them to their own devices. This is not against the FreeCycle policy as my posts are always reviewed by moderators before being authorised.

    It is not a hard sell, and I am not ashamed to be doing it. Of course, I want the referrals, but I'm not pretending I've got something that I don't.

    To some of us, this is not a “get rich quick” scheme. We are investing a lot of time and, in some cases, money. It's all about relationship building, and this is no different to running any other business.

  • http://www.simplyfreeiphone.co.uk Steve Furb Elliott

    There are far too many lazy people out there, have you lodged a DCMA complaint with their host to get the duplicate content removed?

  • http://www.simplyfreeiphone.co.uk Steve Furb Elliott

    Nice way to sneak a link in there Dan, freebie hunters just can't resist!

  • Brian

    Very interesting read. When I saw the title I saw prepared for the usual “freebiejeebies are a scam” article from someone who basically hadn’t a clue how the freebie sites worked and basically didn’t think it was possible and would refuse to believe otherwise. Am glad to see I was wrong.

    I’ve been getting free gifts for over 5 years now, and this has changed many aspects of my life and certainly made life a bit easier, especially with 2 teenagers who think iPods and games consoles are necessities. I wouldn’t be able to afford these gifts if it wasn’t for sites like Freebiejeebies. I have been one of the lucky ones and there are many like me.

    There are also a majority who sign up and think that it’s going to be easy to get a gift (usually a big gift rather than a small ipod shuffle, for example) and they usually give up because they just don’t think it’s worth the effort. In the “freebie game”, if you are lazy you get nothing. All the top earners that I know, have not got to the top of the game by being lazy, they spend hours every day “working” on their sites and getting more visitors.

    If people are prepared to put a little effort into it, it WILL pay off but usually not instantly but when that Free PS3 arrives at your door, you don’t have get a buzz and that’s what makes it all worthwhile. I wouldn’t do it otherwise.

  • Steve Furb Elliott

    5 years Foxy! Blimey, I thought I was a vet at 4 :)

  • http://www.FreebieJeebiesFJ.co.uk FreebieJeebies

    i googled freebiejeebies blog to find this, and i expected this to be an article about how this is a scam, thankfully it wasnt. i wish more people would believe all this freebiejeebies stuff, i guess the gadget show is the best proof we have at the moment! still trying to get a video on my site.
    But great article steve, thanks.

  • http://www.freeipodsandconsoles.co.uk Arcticfox

    you are, but it appears my post was deleted, hmm

  • http://blog.stevemould.com Steve Mould

    I did delete your post! Sorry, It’s because you affiliate link is in your disqus profile and it felt a bit spammy. Though you were adding to the discussion so perhaps that was harsh.

  • Dom-football

    Please help me get referrals go to http://www.freebieforall.co.nr i am in desparete need of them please help

  • http://www.freebiejeebiesscam.blogspot.com/ Ben

    If you do not want to use your friendship as leverage beacuse you feel that it is to high of a price then you can always post the link to gain referrals on other places such as youtube or make facebook groups. this worked for me and i hope it can work for you.
    If you struggle to believe that freebiejeebies is not a scam then visit my blog. It tells you how they can give away all the stuff and there are some links to show you news reports stating that it is not a scam. http://www.freebiejeebiesscam.blogspot.com/

  • Watkissjjunkmail

    Freebiejeebies is not a scam, it’s great . Ive already got a 3ds. You just hav to refer people. here is the link http://consoles.freebiejeebies.co.uk/217778

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  • HOWTOEARNMONEYONL1NE

    HELP FOR FREEBIEJEEBIES AND REFERALS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9xahJE6Jf0

  • Wolves963

    I joined Freebiejeebies at the end of 2008 with no experience or hopes for free gifts. Within a month I had received a £275 Amazon Voucher and built a website. In 1 year I have now received a 22″ Samsung T220HD, a Wii + Game and an iphone 4. I’m now working towards an iMac. Thank you so much FreebieJeebies

  • Karengray101

    All i keep getting from freebiejeebies is that they cant open any invoices that i send them from the offer i took out, which is a load of bull, ive sent them elsewhere and they can be opened without any problem so im beginning to think that they are pulling a fast one, be interested to know if anyone else is having problems with them.

  • Alex

    Hi Karengray101 – Alex from Freebiejeebies here. I stumbled across this and thought I would reply. If we say we can’t view the invoice you have sent us, we genuinely can’t. It could be our Support system playing up. Please don’t give up – try sending it in a different file type (a .doc file or a .jpg file for instance).

    We rely on customers bringing new customers to us. That is how our website works. It would therefore be very short-sighted of us to try to make a very small gain out of you by not giving credit for your offer completion. You are unlikely to bring new customers to us if you cannot get credit for an offer you have completed. Also, you were probably referred by someone. That person cannot get referral credit for you if your offer is not credited, and that person may be disappointed by the lack of credit too.

    Steve – you draw an interesting comparison between our website and pyramid schemes. We are not a pyramid scheme and try to avoid such comparisons as much as possible. I think the most important thing to point out is that we have 9 websites that are open internationally – and each person can join each website. That means if you are a referral for someone on (for example) our Gifts site, you can return the favour and be a referral for them on our Gadgets site. What this means is that the world’s population (minus a couple of countries that cannot participate) x 9 is the upper limit of customers we can accommodate before you reach that point where the system is saturated (when you can’t refer anyone because everyone has joined every site). The world’s population is expanding at such a rate that more and more ‘potential new customers’ exist every day.

    Also something to bear in mind is that some people are happy to be a referral but don’t want to spend time trying to gain referrals themselves. This makes a huge difference to the overall pattern of customers and, in reality, a pyramid does not occur.

  • Wolves963

    I originally signed up for freebiejeebies in order
    to receive my free iPod in May of 2009. I was a little skeptical at
    first, but after seeing the great comments all the other website users
    had to say about freebiejeebies I was sold on the idea. Since then I
    have received my free iPod and even earned a loads of freestuff.

  • http://www.ipaidnothing.co.uk/ Alex @ Free iPhone 4S

    Thank’s for posting this! I’m sick of people posting all over the internet about how freebiejeebies is a scam etc. Really damages the industry IMO. So good to see a post from someone who know’s what they’re talking about :D

    ,Alex